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Athoul
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PostPosted: 10/06/06, 5:20 PM    Post subject: Laser Safe Reply with quote

Through various posts during the week, it seemed like Wicked also thought it was a good idea to include a little brochure with their laser that addressed safety. It's a great idea, so now this thread is open so that everyone can post their thoughts on safety aspects that can be included. I would add some, but right now I'm pressed for time and can't really post more at the moment. I just thought I would get the ball rolling so that we can all post suggetions/ideas here.
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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 2:56 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killer Sean, that was on my to do list to make the first post on this but you beat me to it.

Laser safety can be handled relatively easily and one to two pages should be enough as we do not want to distract the end users attention. Tips and tricks on an additional one to two or possibly more page sheet would be of value.

I know there are so many possible applications and tricks so redundant ideas may win the vote in the matter as to what may be included. Even with safety, stressing the points you consider the most important will have an effect on the final outcome of the final documentation.

This is a community project where the benifit lies within helping our fellow newcomers here to gain experience and be safe about it. There are no prizes awarded for your efforts but I will sure keep you in mind if you ever need repairs or assistance, that much I can offer.

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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 6:47 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laser safety, with regards to keeping the laser itself safe:

A simple illustration of which way the batteries go in will make a lot of newbies more comfortable. One illustration for the green lasers and one illustration for the Pulsars. And, for the Pulsars, some bold text that reads
Warning: Do Not Use Lithium Batteries In Your Laser!

Maybe also include the specs, like rated voltage, current, duty cycle, and operating temperatures.


Laser safety, with regards to keeping the user safe:

Some common-sense stuff of course:
* This is not a toy!
* Never direct your laser towards any person or animal
* Never direct your laser towards shiny or reflective surfaces
* The use of properly rated laser safety glasses is recommended

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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 7:12 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the double-post, for some reason it wouldn't let me edit my previous one. Had some more thoughts on it -- I do a lot of work for the printing industry so that's where this is coming from.

To keep costs down, it could be done as a single light-weight sheet, printed both sides. The warnings could be in the form of pictograms, with the associated text formatted in multiple languages. Safety stuff on one side, 'instructions' like how to put in the batteries, how to keep it clean and how not to clean the lens on the other side. One sheet could cover all the AAA models they make, wrt the instructions etc. and the safety stuff should cover everything.

An URL could also be provided, like 'for more information on laser safety, please see here:' and set something up, either wickedlasers.com/safety or lasercommunity.com/safety. The sheet should cover the most important stuff of course, so that folks don't have to go to the internet to get all the info, but the website could go more in-depth where the sheet is really just a checklist of dos and donts.

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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 11:17 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

has anyone ever read the back of the WL box?

"Instruction:
This high-quality laser pointer incorporates the latest laser technology in green laser optics and microelectronics. use your laser pointer to point at any desired targets. projections, screens or video monitors. useful for presentations, museum and tour guides, pointing the stars, and construction inspection. the laser pointer carries a limited warrenty. if a failure occurs, DO NOT try to open the laser unit. doing so will void the warranty."

"Saftey Precaution:
DO NOT LOOK INTO THE PATH OF THE LASER BEAM!
Laser radiation is potentially harmful. direct eye contact with laser beam may cause eye injury and therefore should be avoided.
CAUTION- Use of controls or adjustments or preformance of procedures other than those specified herin may result in hazardous radiation exposure."

i think to start, they should remove these statements, i dont think i want my tour guide wielding a fusion Laughing
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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 2:27 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offer ideas or take it elsewhere. Keep the thread clean or irrelevant post will be linked to a black hole in a distant galaxy.

Yes TG, I have read the back of the box, rather scanned over the small print, but, what we are looking for is to offer and assist in a manner that will increase the publics awareness of lasers and their potential.

Can you believe that there are still folks out there that believe lasers do not exist??? GREAT lack of knowledge by the general public in this field regardless of its simplicity. Mention lasers and they reply with lazer???

Stephanie, Thank You!! Good points you mentioned!! I did not consider different documetation for the two wavelengths and was focusing on the greens. Great call on your behalf about the battery polarity and something that should certainally be included.

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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 2:36 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought we were talkign about laser saftey?
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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 2:38 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you not edit posts in a stickey? anyway i want to add...

for laser awareness, we should all go outside tonight at 12:00 and point all out lasers up into the sky Razz

not at planes though Laughing
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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 5:15 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommygreen23, the text on the back of the WL box is exacly the same as my non-WL laser. Probably some standard laser safety text.

Also more on topic, perhaps something for the safety-text-folder-thingy:

Make sure that the people in your enviroment are aware of the dangers of this laser so that they won't "joke around" with it.

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PostPosted: 10/07/06, 6:23 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

tommygreen23 wrote:
i thought we were talkign about laser saftey?


"Laser safety can be handled relatively easily and one to two pages should be enough as we do not want to distract the end users attention. Tips and tricks on an additional one to two or possibly more page sheet would be of value."

Question Question Question

I am looking for a collection of general ideas from the group as to what they consider most important for simple documentation to be shipped with the product. The box will get tossed but a small booklet might just get read. Need to keep it simple but little things that I overlook, as Steph mentioned polarity, is what I need assistance with.

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Athoul
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PostPosted: 10/08/06, 3:06 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow a great response thus far, I ment to add some to this and will do so tomorrow/later today. It's thanksgiving weekend here thus will be a busy couple days for me.
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PostPosted: 10/09/06, 3:12 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I had commented this idea on another thread and I believe you are to blame for my response there. You are the original owner of the idea as far as I am concerned.

I did find it strange many moons ago that there was not something like this in the package of a rather high doller investment. This is an attempt to correct that issue for the rest in the future.

Happy holidays at you and Steve and both of your families!!!


Other folks, keep the ideas coming in. Tips and Tricks might also have a bit of mentioning fluorescent materials as personally that always blows me away and had to go thru the house counting just how many things within a given room would do the trick on a mod'ed green back in the day, I lost count rather quickly but it was a personal goal to make at least 5 things fluorese within sight. Yeah, kid is a girl so there were always toys around that I could count on to assist in this endevor of fluorescene in every room. One thing very recently I've noticed is there is a comb for the cats or whatever that not only glows but more of a phoshoresent (sp) effect after the beamage is removed. Dies rather quick but the effect is deffenately present. I have not encounterd this before really and have been testing other materials on occasion. Might be something for others to try. Fusion made it happen and I pulled a 5mw out for general tesing and inspection and it really did not have the gonads to produce the same results, go figure.

Kid girl.... PERV's, keep in mind the scope is well sighted in now and it is looking for some action. Otherwise I'll light the fuse of some homemades with the Fusion beam and stick that down your shorts!!! Don't even consider messing with the girls. Had to add that and not sorry one bit.

Hava a great holiday guys and enjoy.

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Stephanie
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PostPosted: 10/09/06, 8:51 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most laser safety stuff does seem like common sense, but sometimes it seems like common sense isn't so common, so we need to spell it out for people. This thread has also inspired me to put together some basic safety tips on my website, so I've just copied what I wrote there, over to here:

    Never, under any circumstances, look into the beam of any laser! I don't care if you have safety glasses, or if it's only a 2mW keychain pointer. Don't do it! For one thing, don't get into a habit of looking into the beam with cheap pointers, you might someday be working with a more powerful laser. There's just so many things wrong with the idea of looking into the laser beam. Don't do it.

    Never, under any circumstances, aim the beam of any laser at another person or animal! See above. It's foolish to risk your own eyeballs, it's criminal to risk someone else's.

    Never, under any circumstances, aim the beam of any laser at a moving vehicle! This is in fact a criminal offense in most parts of the world. It's also idiotic, for the reasons listed above.

    Keep your Laser(s) out of the reach of children! Or, any irresponsible people, in fact. Don't leave your laser where your child, or kid brother, will find it. And don't hand it around at your drunken frat party. You might know all the safety rules, but what are the odds that everyone else does too?

    When using your laser outside, do not aim it at any buildings or areas where people may be. If you aren't positive that an area does not contain any people, then do not aim your laser at it.

    Higher-Powered Lasers are not toys! Lasers above 5mW in power are capable of burning and blinding. They are tools and should never be treated in a careless or irresponsible fashion.

    Laser Safety Goggles are strongly recommended. If you plan on doing tricks such as burning matches or balloons, or melting tape or plastic, or even setting up a lightshow, you should invest in properly rated Laser Safety Glasses. Staring closely at the intense light while doing tricks, or working with mirrors and other reflective surfaces, creates the risk of specular reflections. Safety glasses can help protect your vision from accidental exposure.

    When using your laser indoors, be careful of where the beam is terminated. Higher powered lasers can cause some materials to smoulder. Dangerous specular reflections are also possible, from many household surfaces.


I know this is more wordy and less pictogram than I suggested before, but I suck at drawing pictograms.

-Stephanie

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PostPosted: 10/09/06, 12:21 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries, good descriptions help and pictograms can be made based on them Wink
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PostPosted: 11/08/06, 2:59 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some further suggestions for laser care/safety.

Lasers can seriously damage the CCD of a digital camera.

Don't view lasers with optical equipment such as microscopes, telescopes or binoculars.

Always ensure that you have more than one pair of safety goggles of the correct rating for the laser you are using, people viewing your demonstrations should also be provided with safety eye-wear.

Observe duty cycles strictly.

Remove batteries whilst not in use, not only to prevent leakage, but to reduce the risk of inadvertant operation.

Warn other occupants of your home/lab/workshop that high-powered lasers are currently in use. (With the correct signs where applicable)

Do not touch the lens in the aperture with anything other than a micofibre lenscloth, and even then, do so with care.

Keep out of reach of children (has someone already suggested that one ?), preferably in a locked cabinet.

NEVER operate whilst under the influence of .......N3ROWN3D!.......SPAMMER-ALERT........MODS-PLEASE-DELETE-THIS-ST UPID-POST......... or alcohol.

Always ensure that viewers of your demonstrations are correctly briefed and warned of laser safety issues before you take your laser out.
(it only takes a moment for some over-enthusiastic numpty to snatch one from your hand and blind someone).

Wear goggles whilst handling the laser at all times, even when replacing/removing the batteries, the power-button could be pressed inadvertently or the laser dropped.

There's bound to be some we've still not thought of.

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