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NoobReaper
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PostPosted: 10/27/07, 10:02 PM    Post subject: White/blac Reply with quote

Well, I don't know if it's possible to produce BLACK light, but.


Anyways.


Is it possible to make a white laser? Light bulbs and such are white. >.>
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Athoul
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PostPosted: 10/28/07, 3:10 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black is not possible, however a white laser is possible. Infact it's not s single laser that makes a white laser. A true white laser has superimposed RGB(Red,Green and Blue) lines ontop of each other to produce a white beam.
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Abray
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PostPosted: 10/28/07, 10:23 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this is on topic or not, but how visible would a white beam be?

cause if it has wavelengths from red, green and blue, how would your eye perceive it?
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NoobReaper
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PostPosted: 10/28/07, 10:43 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Athoul wrote:
Black is not possible, however a white laser is possible. Infact it's not s single laser that makes a white laser. A true white laser has superimposed RGB(Red,Green and Blue) lines ontop of each other to produce a white beam.


I see. So, combining the basic colors, you could achieve a beam that would appear purely white?
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Rasel
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PostPosted: 10/28/07, 2:22 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abray wrote:
I don't know if this is on topic or not, but how visible would a white beam be?

cause if it has wavelengths from red, green and blue, how would your eye perceive it?

1. ... depends on conditions I think

2. White Razz


There are some great pics around here for a white beam... I'lll try to find them again.
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Mars
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PostPosted: 10/29/07, 10:41 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 topics below this are some more topics about this, please read that through.

No, a black laser is nothing, it can't exist, if photons had anti-particles, they could exist.
You can only make a black shadow.
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final14901
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PostPosted: 1/11/08, 9:39 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you guys hav any white lasers if so do you hav pics?
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Schrecken Licht
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PostPosted: 1/11/08, 11:12 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a "white" laser at a concert a few days ago; it looked just like a regular laser beam but was really white...of course they had smoke to make it brighter, not sure how well you'd see one under different conditions with no smoke.
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Spyderman
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PostPosted: 1/15/08, 3:15 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

white yes, black no
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godfrey
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PostPosted: 2/15/08, 9:01 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

final14901 wrote:
do you guys hav any white lasers if so do you hav pics?



I do, as does Gottaluvlasers, but neither of them are just white. We have to combine the output of three colors. However there are white light lasers, most are gas with an Argon/Krypton mixture but most all of them are large frame, water cooled and run anywhere from 208 to 480 volts three phase. Coherent makes a few like the Innova C series.

It's been well over a year since I had it setup, but as you can see from the photos I'm running an Argon at 488nm for blue, a DPSS at 532nm for green and diode laser running around 650nm for red.

The beams are combined in a prism that I removed from a 3 chip CCD imager from a broadcast video camera. In front of the green laser are two polarizers to lower the brightness otherwise the output would be too green.

It was a pain to align the three using the parts I had available at the time.


If you were to shine this in another prism to separate out the colors, you would only get 488/532/650, not the entire spectrum, since it does not comprise of it.

If you blocked blue you'd get yellow. If you blocked green you'd get purple and so on.

I would assume my total output here was about 30mW.



Enjoy!


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PostPosted: 4/22/08, 6:43 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, cool pics. White lasers look really cool Smile
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Scraleontis
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PostPosted: 4/28/08, 7:28 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup thats right. Black is shadow. Its as impossible to make a black laser as it is to make a white shadow. A white laser is all the main colours together Red, Green and Blue.
You'd need a red, a green and a blue laser with similair strength, put together in one beam.
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PostPosted: 4/28/08, 11:58 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scraleontis wrote:

You'd need a red, a green and a blue laser with similair strength, put together in one beam.



Not same strenght, because green apears stronger than red, yo have to mix about that: 60 mw red, 20 mw green, 40 mw blue to get white

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PostPosted: 6/02/08, 2:31 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes, you can take the prism out of an Ar-Kr laser, which has numerous lines, and the output will look white.

Someone has developed a supercontinuum laser that produces white light over the visible range. I think it uses a NdYAG laser to pump a nonlinear optical fiber. Light in the fiber undergoes multiple frequency mixing and splitting processes, similar to a KDP and OPO crystal, to produce continuous white light.
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