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flood6
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
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 Posted: 8/03/05, 7:33 PM Post subject: Laserman u |
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| laserman get the hell off the fourm ur some sad person with no godamn life so he fuckin sits on his pc giggling at the word 'N3ROWN3D!' that his friends flash on the screen get the hell off these fourms come back when youve finished puberdy never mind start it |
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flood6
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 37
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| Posted: 8/03/05, 7:39 PM Post subject: another qu |
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| laserman u sound like ur a squeeler i thought squeelers were unliked arround 10-11 year old's acting like a little girl isint going 2 hel u in life lol ill call u craig from now on because u remind me on that big brother twat craig |
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aka_deno
Nexus Laser
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 101
Location: Annapolis, Maryland USA
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| Posted: 8/03/05, 8:03 PM Post subject: |
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| laserman has alreayd been banned from the server about a month ago lol. i dont think it does any good to talk to him. |
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flood6
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 37
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| Posted: 8/04/05, 1:59 PM Post subject: LMAO LASER |
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| lol im an idiot nice 1 deno |
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fr0ng
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 30
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| Posted: 9/13/05, 5:32 PM Post subject: |
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Sounds like Laserman is someone who sells lasers but is getting screwed by Wickedlasers' cheap prices...hahaha
Doesn't competition suck?  |
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nero_design
Wicked Lasers God
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Posts: 1463
Picture(s): 98
Movie(s): 1
Location: Australia
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| Posted: 9/13/05, 10:16 PM Post subject: I agree wi |
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Sounds VERY unhappy yet he buys (bought?) from Wicked nonetheless.
I just took a look at the FDA website link he posted. From what I can see, it's the people selling "Overpowered" green lasers that are on the FDA watch list. Overpowered is defined as being 'Higher Output Than Original Factory Release' (by definition/not quoted) and . Since Wicked sells OEM lasers that are produced and sold WITHOUT further output modification and have clear output labels affixed, I believe they are probably able to avoid problems as long as they don't start calling these things "pointers"... In fact, the entry page here seems to point out that these lasers are NOT to be used as pointers.
Here's an EXACT cut-N-paste quote from the FDA website on lasers: "The agency is particularly concerned about the increased availability of overpowered green laser pointers. Overpowered green laser pointers are those that may have been modified to emit more radiation than the manufacturer’s original product. "
Now Wicked's lasers are NOT pointers despite similar appearances. And they are apparently OEM. Thus they do not violate FDA regulations (by my interpretation at least) although their legal use in certain locations of the US is likely to be regulated. But that's up to locals to figure out for themselves.
Sounds to me like the only people bending the rules are the guys in the US that are modding lasers beyond factory output. And those lasers with safety devices in them are seriously crippled for most laserists to work with.
My own lasers have been running for 15 YEARS of continuous and intermittent use including a year of heavy use on my modded Leadlights (other than the one I broke with a soldering iron). Though I have only owned my NEXUS for under a week, it's clear that the design is strong, optics are WAY above average with a special coating over the lens area (though I don't intend to disassemble it... that's why I wanted high output OEM lasers to begin with : I want them to last a long time). I don't think the tube area where the batteries sit would survive a compressive impact should it be sat upon with any force but then again, you don't want to drop a green DPSS in the first place (remember the crystals!). Just like you wouldn't expect to drop a $399 digital camera and expect it to survive unscathed.
I'm noticing that the same few commonly used words appear in laser forums around the world by the same person using different loggin names. They claim to be pretty cranky about things but further questioning reveals that they may very well be a competitor with their own laser mod products to sell so you're probably on the money there Fr0ng. Seriously, I can't blame the various governments around the world from trying to restrict lasers to people who understand them best. The higher prices of big-output lasers also keeps them out of 10 year old Billy's hands. I sure as heck wouldn't want to see kids playing with a couple of Pheonix lasers next door... you just know how it will end up.
. Bit of a shame really.
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LaserLight
Elite Laser
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Posts: 128
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Here's a guy that has something to say on this subject. 
http://wickedlasers.com/csi.mpg
I just read through this whole topic this morning and then went to the video section and saw this clip! It struck me as very funny.  |
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barisseker
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 51
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I've been browsing the forums,wickedlasers.com site, trying to decide which laser I want to buy and just today I found this page on fda.gov (I hope it wasn't posted before, searched for it but couldn't see any posts, I apologize in advance if it was posted before)
http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9504.html
It's a Detention Without Physical Examination alert. The document explains the whats and whys and then there is an attachment at the bottom where it lists the banned manufacturers from a bunch countries. WickedLasers is one of them
Wicked Lasers Laser Products for Non-Medical Use/
Room 108, No 7, Lane 89 High Powered Green Laser Pointer
Anshun Road Devices
Shanghai 200052 95L[][]22
China
FEI# 3005178098 6/8/05
(copy/pasted, sorry for the formatting)
I'd like to know what this means to us, potential buyers. I've been getting ready to purchase a Nexus myself, but this document clearly states shipments from WickedLasers will be detained at the customs. It seems to me, WickedLasers made to the banned list in 2005; do we have anybody here who ordered and received their item in 2005, recently? |
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barisseker
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 51
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| Posted: 10/09/05, 10:53 PM Post subject: |
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I found this newsgroup thread where this guy in Los Angeles, CA says he received his Wicked Lasers product just fine after a 15 day delivery (and his order was upgraded for free too!). I think the shipment is labeled something other than a 'laser product'. Smart
Link to the thread on google: cliky
Scroll down to find the line where it says: James Watkins Oct 1, 9:43 pm |
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Nexus
Wicked Lasers Master
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Posts: 756
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Yes, its true our lasers are too much power for the FDA regulations, our most powerful laser is 25X more power than any green laser you can 'legally' purchase in the United States. Laws are different for China, there are no laser regulations. On the other hand, in the land of FDA regulations, you are allowed to purchase a fully automatic rifle, while in China you would get executed instantly if you were caught with such weapons. When the FDA notice first came out, we had some problems getting shipments out to the US, that was about 7 months ago. We haven't had a delivery seized by customs for over 6 months. There are repeated questions about lasers being able to go through customs on this forum, but there has never been a single time in our history where a customer has not gotten their laser due to customs, even during the embargo period. We're so confident that every laser we ship will make it through customs that if your laser doesn't arrive due to customs, we'll give you a full refund, plus 100$, and keep shipping the laser to you until you get it.
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barisseker
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 51
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Thanks for the quick response Nexus!  |
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nestlequikus
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 34
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Nexus - your gun anology is rather interesting. But I would point out that as a gun dealer, I would never ship a customer a gun in China or anywhere else where they were illegal. It could potentially mean trouble for me and my customer.
Another anaology could be for .......N3ROWN3D!.......SPAMMER-ALERT........MODS-PLEASE-DELETE-THIS-ST UPID-POST.......... Certain narcotics that are banned in the USA are perfectly legal in Holland. I don't know of any Dutch websites that ship .......N3ROWN3D!.......SPAMMER-ALERT........MODS-PLEASE-DELETE-THIS-ST UPID-POST......... to the USA. What you're doing is exactly the same and your only defense is essentially that you disagree with the law.
I disagree with the law too, and even though I'm aware of the law, I have purchased Wicked products before and probably will do so again. I think your only duty here is to inform customers that their purchases are in fact illegal in the USA.
BTW, you cannot purchase a fully automatic rifle in the U.S. We banned "assault rifles" several years ago. I think this law is retarded, but I do not break it. |
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barisseker
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 06 Oct 2005
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You can't buy a fully automatic assault rifle but you can buy a semi automatic assault rifle, like an AR15. If you can tap the trigger fast enough, you have yourself a automatic assault rifle.
We're all right though. All of us do things that are illegal sometimes. All of us do things that are against the law sometimes. At times we drink and drive. That has more potential to threaten the lives of others than playing with your over powered laser. At the hand of the wrong people, most things are harmful to others; guns, knives, laser products etc...
I myself disagree with whatever law there is out there regarding over powered laser products and I ordered one myself. We'll see if it safely makes it here |
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nero_design
Wicked Lasers God
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Posts: 1463
Picture(s): 98
Movie(s): 1
Location: Australia
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I disagree with the law too, and even though I'm aware of the law, I have purchased Wicked products before and probably will do so again. I think your only duty here is to inform customers that their purchases are in fact illegal in the USA.
BTW, you cannot purchase a fully automatic rifle in the U.S. We banned "assault rifles" several years ago. I think this law is retarded, but I do not break it. |
nestlequikus:
1. ANYONE in the USA may own a Class 3B laser if they follow the rules of their state for it's use. This has been confirmed to me personally by the FDA.
2. The "assault weapon ban" of the Reagan era has ended moratorium. New rules exist.
3. With an FBI check, you can still buy full auto weapons depending on where you reside.
4. Without an FBI check, you can buy semi auto's and "Mod them" (this practice is illegal).
5. You can buy <5mW lasers and "Mod them" (this practice is illegal).
6. Wicked Lasers are lawfully allowed to sell their product to any person in any country in the world providing the purchaser takes into account what his or her restrictions of use might be in the location where it is to be used. Any company based physically "within" the United States has an obligation to confirm that the purchaser indeed has a written variance/permit to purchase and possess a Class 3B laser or especially a Class 4 laser. Wicked are located outside the US and are not subject to the same requirement and thus the import onus falls on to the purchaser and not the supplier. Therefore, it is actually the US laser suppliers who are bending the laws when they do otherwise and not Wicked. Wicked do NOT sell to persons under 18 years of age, hence the Credit Card requirements for purchase and the acknowledgement at the point of purchase. There are laws in place to prevent lasers from being used for abuse and mischief in the USA and using a <5mW will get you into exactly the same trouble as a <100mW if you use it to pester other people. The issue with Class 3B lasers is that they are stronger (in output) than "pointers" and therefore require more respect and sensibility when used.
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Marco Nero
* Laser Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/nero_design/pro1wickedlasers
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nestlequikus
25mW Classic Wicked Laser
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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This brings up an interesting debate that we can only have in the Internet age. I'm assuming most of Wicked's customers are in the United States. Do they or should they have the responsibility to adhere to the laws of the country they're doing business in? I think the intent of international trade law is to respect the wishes of the country in which you do business. However, whether or not that intent is enforced is another matter.
A great example is in the copyright infringement areas. File sharing sites set up in places like Sweden that don't have strong copyright laws and therefore can't be shut down even though they distrubute pirated material to users in the UK and USA, where there are strong copyright laws. Most of asia's PCs run on pirated Windows software and there's nothing Microsoft can really do about it.
If there's nothing that can be done for multi-billion dollar industries like media or software, then certainly nobody can really stop Wicked Lasers from distributing their products, even though they're technically not legal.
BTW, what must one do to obtain a Class 3B permit? Do you think Wicked Lasers has a responsibility to their customers to verify that they have a permit, or at least inform them of what they need to do to obtain one? How many of their customers would you guess own such a permit?
Also, the ban on fully automatic weapons is unfortunately still in affect here. There are ways to legally own one, but you must meet a number of difficult qualifications. For instance, the firearm must be manufactured prior to 1986 and you must obtain a written letter from your sheriff or the ATF. You must be thinking of the other "assault weapon" ban introduced by the Clinton administration in the 90s that affected semi-automatic rifles that had certain military-esque features (mainly cosmetics). That ridiculous law expired last year, and what do you know: we're still here! |
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